Breaking Down Silos: Building Trust and Collaboration among Local Churches
How can pastors and local churches move beyond their walls and truly impact their communities? In this episode, Mike Glenn, president of the Engage Church Network, sits down with Daryl Crouch, a longtime pastor and now leader of Everyone’s Wilson, to discuss the shift from traditional ministry to city-focused mission work.
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Mike Glenn: Talk about, um, obviously give 'em a little bit of your backstory, uh, and, and that kind of stuff. There are. There are what we call the five points of clarity.
Daryl Crouch: Okay.
Mike Glenn: Pastor has to, has to have a clear message. One, they have to understand who they are.
Mm-hmm.
Mike Glenn: Individual identity. Second one is calling in context.
Daryl Crouch: Mm-hmm.
Mike Glenn: Uh, you still have the same calling. Mm-hmm. You're expressing it in a different context.
Daryl Crouch: A hundred percent. Yep.
Mike Glenn: And the last one is, and then you got, you have to have a clarity about your congregation, your community, and your mission.
Daryl Crouch: Mm-hmm.
Mike Glenn: Where your congregation and the community intersect is where your mission is.
Daryl Crouch: Yeah.
Mike Glenn: Uh, and so we'll spend a lot of time on points.
Daryl Crouch: Yeah.
Mike Glenn: Two and five there. Good.
Daryl Crouch: That's
Mike Glenn: awesome. On, on what, what it meant for you to change the context
Daryl Crouch: mm-hmm.
Mike Glenn: Yeah. Of, uh, of, of your ministry.
Daryl Crouch: Yeah. I,
Mike Glenn: because you know, when I, when I was growing up, if you weren't a pastor, then you weren't in the ministry
Daryl Crouch: or Yeah,
Mike Glenn: yeah.
Daryl Crouch: For me it was pastor music I use.
Mike Glenn: Yeah. [00:01:00] Yeah.
Daryl Crouch: Those were the three roles. Yeah. You could
Mike Glenn: do,
Daryl Crouch: or you could be a, or missionaries, a foreign missionary.
Mike Glenn: Yeah.
Daryl Crouch: And so church planner wasn't a thing. All these other roles aren't a thing, and certainly marketplace wasn't a thing. Right. You know? Um, yeah. So that's cool.
Mike Glenn: So that'll give us enough.
Daryl Crouch: Yeah.
Mike Glenn: Well, we're looking for 20, 25 minutes. Somewhere in there.
Daryl Crouch: 20 or 25 minutes, man. Yeah. We're that's an introduction, right? For
Mike Glenn: you? Yeah. That's what it is for me. So,
Daryl Crouch: yeah.
Mike Glenn: I'm one of these. You rolling? Yeah. Whenever you rolling. Hi, I am Mike Glenn. Lemme do, lemme do some arms not out here.
Uh, hi. I'm Mike Glenn and I am the president of the Engaged Church Network. And we're glad, uh, to welcome you to our podcast today. Today we have with us. Darin,
Daryl Crouch: Daryl, my name is Daryl Crouch. So bad, so bad.
Mike Glenn: It's just now, now you blocked me while we go.
Daryl Crouch: So this is funny. A couple weeks ago at the end of the service.
Yeah. So this, [00:02:00] I'm, I'm, I'm doing an interim. Yeah. So I'm, you know, I'm not there much so. They always want a deacon to come and pray at the end.
Mike Glenn: Yeah.
Daryl Crouch: And they're good guys. They do fine. I could not remember this guy's name to save my life, and I just kept staring at him. I, you know, normally I would say, Hey, Mike's gonna come and close us out.
Mike Glenn: That brother's gonna come out.
Daryl Crouch: I'm like, I just, it was so bad. And I know the guy, his name's Scott, I know him, and I had nothing
Mike Glenn: and, and you'll never forget it.
Daryl Crouch: I had nothing. So, anyway, so,
Mike Glenn: I'm
Daryl Crouch: sorry. All right.
Mike Glenn: I'm sorry, Ben.
Hi, I am Mike Glenn and I am the president of the Engaged Church Network, and we're glad to welcome you to our podcast today. Uh, Dar Cow.
All right, here we go. We're gonna get it. This.
Daryl Crouch: You got it.
Mike Glenn: Hi, I am Mike Glenn and I'm the president of the Engaged Church Network. Thanks for dropping by today. Uh, Darryl Crouch, uh, a local pastor, a ministry [00:03:00] leader in our, in our area. I've known, uh, Darryl for. Long time, longer than any of us want to, to admit.
Uh, but it's been interesting to watch the, uh, progress, uh, the progression of his ministry. And, um, you keep hearing us talk about, uh, the five points of clarity, the, the. The pastor has to be clear about their own identity and has to be settled in Christ. The pastor has to understand their calling and the context of that calling.
Have to understand the congregation of their community, and then where the congregation and community intersect. That's usually the point of mission. Uh, darl has been a long time pastor, 28 years, 29 years, something like that.
Daryl Crouch: Yeah.
Mike Glenn: Uh, pastor the church in, uh, in. The downtown area of Nashville and then, uh, was out in the Lebanon area, and so now works in a, uh, regional ministry called Everyone's Wilson.
Daryl Crouch: Yeah. [00:04:00]
Mike Glenn: So talk about, uh, how you made the decision, uh. Y you know, when I was growing up and we were laughing about this a while ago, how you left the ministry. Yeah,
Daryl Crouch: yeah, yeah. That's
Mike Glenn: right. Yeah. 'cause if you weren't a preacher of a church or a ministry of music, then you weren't in the ministry. The idea that you would lead a city focused mm-hmm.
Uh, business leader focused ministry.
Daryl Crouch: Yeah.
Mike Glenn: Um, so talk about that context and how you began to understand that.
Daryl Crouch: Well, like you said, I was a pastor for 28 years. That's really all I ever knew. Mm-hmm. That's all I ever really thought I would do, and I loved it. And, um. I miss a lot of it. Mm-hmm. There's, uh, so much of the local church that I, I love and I do believe in the local church.
I think the local church is hope for the world, uh, as, as long as we're mobilized into the cities and the context that God's given to us. Mm-hmm. And so we started asking a few different questions. As I, our pastors and elders, we just began to pray and ask some different questions about our ability and our [00:05:00] effectiveness in reaching people who were not coming to our church.
And, um. In our community as well as in most counties in our state, uh, 80% of our neighbors are not connected to a church or to Christ on any kind of regular basis. Right? So the overwhelming lostness of our, of our city was, was a burden of my heart to say, how could we then posture ourselves? As local missionaries.
And so we began to ask just different questions. Uh, I I know you are a long time pastor. I never had a personnel committee. Mm-hmm. Uh, ask me, uh, Darrell, are there fewer lost people in my community
Mike Glenn: great
Daryl Crouch: in our community than there this year than last? Or are there fewer kids needing a foster home mm-hmm.
This year than last? Uh, the, the, the metrics or the scorecard that we used was very internal. And there's some good things about that. But we just started asking what would it look like if we expanded the scorecard to include the, the welfare, the shalom, Jeremiah 29, the shalom, the wholeness of the city, uh, into our [00:06:00] metrics.
And so through that process as well as a lot of other conversations, prayer and experiences. God said, God, God just called me into this a new aspect and context of ministry. I still consider myself a minister of the gospel. I am, uh, I see myself as a local missionary, really? Mm-hmm. Trying to mobilize the church into the darkest, most vulnerable places in our community.
Mike Glenn: Now, we had several conversations while, uh, you were still the pastor. Mm-hmm. But the, the germ of everyone's Wilson or, uh, or the. The, the kind of, the, the dream of it was beginning to take shape in your own head. Yeah. So what were those moments that, that, that burdened you, that broke your heart where you said, we've gotta do something?
Daryl Crouch: Yeah, yeah. There were several of them. And so one, I was in a meeting with the director of schools in our area and I didn't know anything about. Backpack program.
Mike Glenn: Mm-hmm.
Daryl Crouch: That's a food program. Mm-hmm. Where we send food home with, uh, vulnerable kids on the weekend. [00:07:00] I didn't know anything about that. So a church member invited me to this meeting, uh, at a local church on a weeknight, and the director of schools was there and she gave, she gave us a lot of information about what they were doing and how we could be a part of it.
And, and, uh, she just happened to mention that 25% of our public school students qualified for free and reduced lunch. Mm-hmm. Now we live in the second wealthiest county in Tennessee, uh, second well behind Williamson, but nevertheless. Second, we're a wealthy county, and yet one in four of our public school students live in a vulnerable poverty kind of space, so that when Christmas Day comes, they've already been outta school long enough mm-hmm.
That they're not having a lot of fun. They, they don't have enough food, they don't have enough attention from their parents. Right. So there were some moments like that and when. It's not just the poverty piece, it's the relational and spiritual brokenness that has led to that.
Mike Glenn: Mm-hmm. [00:08:00]
Daryl Crouch: So when you know that 80% of your neighbors aren't connected to Christ or a church, that's a spiritual problem.
But that always leads to a, a. A physical problem into relational problems. Mm-hmm. So the breakdown of the family and single moms trying to raise a couple of kids and she's trying to hold down a couple jobs. She's not getting her kids to vacation. Bible school. Mm-hmm. Our church family, they're taking their kids to every vacation Bible school in town.
Mm-hmm. All summer. But she, she doesn't have transportation. She, she doesn't have an ability or the discretionary time to, to run her kids, to all the things that you run your kids to, or I run mine to. So it's more than just poverty, it's relational brokenness. Yeah. It's lack
Mike Glenn: of access.
Daryl Crouch: Lack of access. And you're thinking, well, they're not, those people aren't coming to church, not because they hate God.
Mm-hmm. But because. They can't get to church on a Sunday. Don't, yeah. Just don't have any space. They don't have access. Yeah. So, um, how are we gonna go to them? Uh, when, when [00:09:00] Bartimaeus was crying out to Jesus as he was, have, have mercy on me. Jesus asked him, Bartimaeus, what do you want? And Bartimaeus didn't say, say, I want to go to your Bible study or teach me more about That's right.
He said, I want to see.
Mike Glenn: Mm-hmm.
Daryl Crouch: And Jesus made barn Barnabas success, his goal when the good of others. Is our goal. Um, God gets the glory and others get to experience mm-hmm. Jesus in a very personal way. And so we just became very, um, aware there was some scales that were removed from our eyes and our hearts and, uh, we began to step in.
And what would it look like? To mobilize a unified church in a community, to network and integrate with businesses and nonprofits and join what God's already doing in the community in a bigger way. So, so that was, those were a couple points along the way, but
Mike Glenn: Yeah.
Daryl Crouch: Yeah.
Mike Glenn: So what happens when, when, uh, you know, there's always that great moment where you have the idea.[00:10:00]
Daryl Crouch: Mm-hmm.
Mike Glenn: Yeah. This'll work and you know, you've dood it all over the napkin and Absolutely. You change it. Absolutely. Then reality sets in. About how you actually get it done.
Daryl Crouch: Yeah.
Mike Glenn: You know, everybody's got a good idea. Few people can execute that idea.
Daryl Crouch: That's right.
Mike Glenn: So how, talk about the transition or, or those moments of affirmation where the Lord lets you know you're on the right path.
Uh, you know, churches are great and, and, and we love them. They don't work well together.
Daryl Crouch: That's
Mike Glenn: right. Most of the time. So, so the idea that you've got, what, 70 congregations mm-hmm. That are somehow related to, uh,
Daryl Crouch: yeah.
Mike Glenn: Uh. Everybody's Wilson, that that in and of itself is, uh, apocalyptic and
Daryl Crouch: it is. It is. Yeah.
And that's a real interesting dynamic. So, uh, one of the, one of the things, one of those moments was that when we started to step into this, there was a, a, a handful of other pastors who, um. Loved what we were doing.
Mike Glenn: Mm-hmm.
Daryl Crouch: Uh, some of it was around rec, racial [00:11:00] reconciliation kind of conversations. This was not political at all.
Right. It was just some realities in our community we wanted to address. There was some, um, some unity efforts that, um, were very attractive to just a handful of pastors. Well, that started to gain momentum. And so pastors, we began to have lunch together. We started build relationships together. A friend of mine told me a long time ago, I think he was quoting, um, somebody else, but he, he was, he was working out a second Peter chapter one, and it's a loose paraphrase, but he said, if you'll get to know and learned a like.
And grow to love each other deeply.
Mike Glenn: Mm-hmm.
Daryl Crouch: Guy can do some great things. Mm-hmm. So there was a group of pastors, handful of pastors, that began to learn to like each other, uh, grow to love each other and, and, and, and began to build trust in a way that was pretty significant. Mm-hmm. So that was one piece.
Uh, trust is the currency of transformation. Many times we come in with a good idea. And, uh, [00:12:00] it is a good idea and we wanna change the world, uh, and then we ask other people to buy into our idea.
Mike Glenn: Mm-hmm.
Daryl Crouch: That, that's a kindness and compliance and even cooperation. But what we intended to do, or still, uh, still work to do is to create a, a, an environment of collaboration where we're all in the room making the sausage together, is what we say.
Mm-hmm.
Mike Glenn: Mm-hmm.
Daryl Crouch: It's not my idea or your idea. Let's, let's figure out what, what reality is, uh, what do we want the reality to be? And so how do we get there together? And so, uh, doing the work of building the relational, uh, trust and building the capital relationally with one another is the key to community transformation.
So I'd say trust is first, but then the, the next thing we discovered, and we are still. We're still working to solve this and helping churches do this. Churches have no system for cooperating with each other. Mm-hmm. Um, even when pastors love each other and trust each other, they don't really have [00:13:00] a, a mechanism to do some things together around a school or a nonprofit in the marketplace.
And so just trying to, so what we do, we try to work to build systems. And those systems can be as simple as convening people in the same room, which you're very good at, and understand the value of. Uh, we've built toolkits that say, Hey, here's how you can cooperate together around this school or around this anti-trafficking initiative and this foster initiative.
And so we, um, we kind of bake in, uh, opportunities for them to work together. And so we put a couple churches together around a school, along with a business. Mm-hmm. And so in our school partnership initiative, it happens not organically, we've created the systems, but we've teed them up, so, so they're more likely to cooperate together.
Still hard, still doesn't always work, you know, all every time in the way that we want it to. But we're much farther down the road because we've built some systems for them to cooperate.
Mike Glenn: Well, you know, it's always. A lot of people want [00:14:00] to, most people don't know how,
Daryl Crouch: they don't know how,
Mike Glenn: so the system gives them.
Daryl Crouch: Yep. They don't have to go Google it and figure it out. Mm-hmm. Or, and the other thing in which, you know, and you've, is giving yourself too, is that pastor health is a, is a, is a big barrier, or unhealth is a big barrier. Mm-hmm. A lot of pastors are just overwhelmed and, uh, they're. Sunday's always coming.
The needs of their church are very real and palpable. And so when we talk about cooperating and doing some other things, it seems out of reach. So we're, yeah,
Mike Glenn: they still don't have the capacity.
Daryl Crouch: They don't have capacity. So we're trying to make it, put it within reach in a relational context where they know they're loved and supported and, um, in that, in the context of that relationship, they can do some great things together.
Yeah. Yeah.
Mike Glenn: Talk to me about one of, um, what was the first big, big victory for, uh. Uh, everyone's Wilson. Just where, where you said, Hey, we got an idea and Yeah. And you tried it and it and it worked.
Daryl Crouch: Yeah. Well, for us it was the school partnership initiative. Yeah. It's called the Ready Initiative. So when we began, or [00:15:00] before we began, before we were a thing, we convened all the who's who in our county.
Mm-hmm. And the, to the, at the Chamber of Commerce, you know, the city managers, county mayors, mayors. Uh, director of schools and so on. Mm-hmm. And so, um, we, we said, Hey, if we had a magic wand, and that probably wasn't very theologically, uh, accurate, but maybe if we had Moses' staff or something like that.
Mm-hmm. Anyway, if we had, if we could fix anything, uh, that needed to be fixed, what would that be? And so over the course of two meetings, six weeks, and again, it was very anecdotal. We didn't know what we were doing back then, but, um. There was four areas or four pockets of vulnerability those people identified.
Hunger, addiction, safety, and education.
Mike Glenn: Mm-hmm.
Daryl Crouch: So we came up with a vernacular that we, it's
Mike Glenn: just about universal.
Daryl Crouch: It's very universal. That's
just
Mike Glenn: about universal.
Daryl Crouch: And if you look at the marks of a flourishing community, you'll see those things are solved for, in some way. Mm-hmm. So, uh, we came up with a vernacular that we wanna see everyone fed, everyone free, everyone safe, and everyone ready.
We [00:16:00] wanna see everyone whole in Christ and living the life that God created them to live. So the, the everyone Ready piece, the education piece, we, um, uh, we didn't know what we were gonna do, but the director of schools, the same lady that, uh, was speaking that night at the backpack program, she said, Hey, have you ever thought of a school partnership initiative?
I said, well, no, but we're ready, we're willing to do it. And she said, well, let's do it. So, so if anybody ever tells you that the schools are closed mm-hmm. Some may be, but we have found that the schools are much more open than churches are willing and ready to go in.
Mike Glenn: Yes. Um, especially when churches show up to serve.
Daryl Crouch: To serve. That's exactly right. When we're giving, when we're, when our goal is to help, and this is true in every domain, but in education is certainly true that, um. We want you to be successful. How can we help you be successful in doing what you have been tasked to do? If we go in with that posture, the doors open and [00:17:00] opportunities for all kinds of wonderful things, gospely things, as well as, uh, very just, uh, logistically or practical things.
Mm-hmm. Become an option. But, so she said, Hey, can you start a school partnership? So we did. And, uh, it took off. It just, it gained so much momentum, so fast.
Mike Glenn: And then every school wants it.
Daryl Crouch: Every school wants it. And every school, what they've
Mike Glenn: seen it successfully,
Daryl Crouch: every year, every school wants, every, so there's 31 schools in Wilson County.
Mm-hmm. And we're in 29 of them in a, in an intentional way. And we have agreements with all of them. Mm-hmm. We just, again, it's harder to mobilize the people than it is to get the permission. So, um, and now those are taking to the next level where reading programs are, uh, emerging in bigger ways and. Our goal in mentoring programs.
Mm-hmm. Our goal is to get Jesus loving people in a relationship with students and families and educators on a regular basis. We believe when, when there's relationships are being built, transformation begins to happen and um, or. We can say organically [00:18:00] that's overused maybe, but God does some good things when you and I spend time together.
Right. And um, the same is true when we spend time with kids and their families and educators and their families.
Mike Glenn: See, I often tell people that we living in a time, a time where ministry comes before the message. When I first started, when you first started, it was always the Billy Graham School of Evangelism.
Where you would begin with the scriptures, the Bible says, and now because of everything that's happened, nobody listens. They're watching to see what you do.
Daryl Crouch: then they'll listen. It's as if you were going to parachute into Uganda as a missionary.
Mm-hmm.
Daryl Crouch: You're not, the first thing you're doing as a missionary in Uganda or Malaysia or anywhere else in the world mm-hmm. Is not to put up a pulpit and begin to preach. No. You're gonna say, Hey, what do y'all need around here?
Mike Glenn: Yeah. Build a hospital. Build a school.
Daryl Crouch: We used to do that all the time. All
Mike Glenn: the time.
Daryl Crouch: And, um, and so now we, we don't live in a post-Christian community. Uh, we live in a pre-Christian community.
Mike Glenn: Right.
Daryl Crouch: Jesus is not [00:19:00] here yet for most of our neighbors. And, um, and so I think we have to have the posture of a missionary.
Mike Glenn: Mm-hmm.
Daryl Crouch: Uh, trust is not entitled. We have to earn it. Earn it, and uh, if we'll do what it takes to earn it, people start to pay attention.
Mm-hmm. And doors and opportunities open up for all kinds of wonderful ministries.
Mike Glenn: Yeah. Okay. Our audience for this podcast are, are pastors, local church leaders. And so you gotta, uh, somebody sitting in an office or. Looking at this on their computer, and they are one person in one church, uh, and, you know, some of the counties just that we can throw a rock and hit mm-hmm.
Uh, from here are, are some of the worst places for meth or the school system is, is struggling and that kind of stuff. Mm-hmm. Right. Opportunities where, where do I begin?
Daryl Crouch: Yeah.
Mike Glenn: If I wanna do something,
Daryl Crouch: if, if you're a pastor and you feel like you're all alone, first of all, you're not, there are people [00:20:00] around you that love you and that care about you, and you don't have to do this alone.
Mike Glenn: Mm-hmm.
Daryl Crouch: Um, I know that may be hard and there's, it's not maybe, uh, immediately obvious, but, uh, if you'll begin to look, it's sort of, we used to say, if you buy Volkswagen, you see Volkswagen everywhere. That's right. If you start to look, there's some other people who care about the things you care about.
Mm-hmm. So if you can look around and say, Hey, we may not believe all the same things. In other words, you may not go to my church. Mm-hmm. Uh, and I may not go to yours. We, you may not all believe the same things, but are there some people who care about the things I care about and that we could maybe begin a conversation?
Um, the other thing I'd say is that if you are just one person, you can do a lot. If you'll think about changing. A bit of your, uh, philosophy of ministry or maybe tweaking it a little bit to provide time in your work week even, but it could be outside of your work week to show up at a school or to show up at a business or show up, uh, in a, um, at a nonprofit.
And begin to ask questions.
Mike Glenn: Mm-hmm.
Daryl Crouch: I don't [00:21:00] think some pastors are, I don't think we're great at asking questions. We have a lot of, we have a lot of information to share. Right. Good. And it's good information. Right. And uh, and we, we feel like we get paid by the word. Right. And so we just have a lot of information share.
I think if we can become Great question askers.
Mike Glenn: Mm-hmm.
Daryl Crouch: And, um, begin to ask the public school teachers. Some good questions began to ask marketplace leaders some good questions. Go to the county mayor and ask a question. Mm-hmm. We began this way, Mike. We, we, when I was at Green Hill, when I first went there, we didn't have a lot of money and, and, uh, but we wanted to be a part of the community and this, before I knew anything, this was maybe one of the little seeds that began to germinate.
I went to our county man, or our city manager and I said, Hey, we don't have much money, but, um, what could we do to bless the city? And he, it was a couple conversations and he said, you know, our police department, they need a, they need a, a tourniquet. It's a, it's a tool they put on their [00:22:00] tool belt. Right.
Mike Glenn: Right.
Daryl Crouch: Police officers are usually the first at a scene and there's this special tourniquet mm-hmm. That goes on and we don't have 'em for our officers. So we Okay. And, uh, let's do that. And so, um. All the officers, and then it went to all the auxiliary officers and then it went to, you know, all the future officers.
So, so it grew to about a $4,000 bill. Mm-hmm. And we really didn't have that kind of margin in our, you know. Mm-hmm. But we just didn't have, but we did it and the sergeant came, or one of the captains came to our church one Sunday morning. Gosh, I get emotional about it. He got up on the platform. And you could just feel something, turn in our church.
Mm-hmm.
Mike Glenn: Mm-hmm.
Daryl Crouch: At least I could.
Mike Glenn: Yeah.
Daryl Crouch: Maybe other people may not even remember it, but he got up and he got on the platform sometime early in the service, you know, just to say thank you from the Mount Juliet Police Department.
Mike Glenn: Mm-hmm.
Daryl Crouch: And he told how this thing's gonna work, how the tourniquet works, and why it's [00:23:00] important to save lives.
We, we say we believe in saving lives too all the
Mike Glenn: time.
Daryl Crouch: Yeah. And obviously different context and application, but we care about our neighbors who have car accidents. Mm-hmm. And need, need the help of our first responders. And we all of a sudden thought we're a part of building the city.
Mike Glenn: Mm-hmm.
Daryl Crouch: And the way that we could, and that just opened so many opportunities for our church to be involved in our community.
So I would just. I would begin by asking questions and saying, where is God working and how could I as a pastor mm-hmm. Me and my Sunday school class or you know, discipleship group, we don't have to change the world. Mm-hmm. But you can make a big difference in your part of the world and begin where you are.
Mike Glenn: Yeah. That's the old story of the guy throwing starfish back into sea. Right?
Daryl Crouch: That's right. That's exactly right.
Mike Glenn: So I made a difference with that. Starfish
Daryl Crouch: made diff and And he appreciates
it.
Mike Glenn: Yeah,
Daryl Crouch: that's right.
Mike Glenn: How, how do people get in touch with you?
Daryl Crouch: [00:24:00] Everyone's Wilson. Yeah, everyone's wilson dot o org. ORG.
Um, Darrel Crouch, uh, everyone's wilson.org is my email address. Mm-hmm. And so, uh, you can find us on Instagram and Facebook and, um, all those kind of places. And so we'd love to connect and help you do what you do. We, we actually incorporates the Everyone's Welcome Network. So we have a vision of helping other communities throughout our state get the same
Mike Glenn: kind
Daryl Crouch: of thing
Mike Glenn: established
Daryl Crouch: to do.
And we got. We've done a lot of the hard work. We've paid some of the tax for you, so, um, we'd be happy to help, help you start your own. All right.
Mike Glenn: We live in a time where the ministry comes before the message and being able to serve your community and empower your local leaders to. To make a better place for everyone to live in is so critical for, uh, a thriving church.
And, uh, and Darrell and his team and everyone in Wilson has done, have already done that, and you and I can learn a lot from 'em. So I'll te hope you'll take advantage. Uh, following up with, with Darrell and his team. We [00:25:00] are really glad that you have joined us for this podcast and hope you are encouraged and we'll see you next time.
Great. There's some good stuff in there, Darryl.
